knowledge management WhatsNew5 Frans van Bijsterveld: Information This is all part of the internalization process? Hung Tran: Exactly, that is what internalization is all about. is this science fiction in the sense that it is somewhere in the unforeseeable future Frans van Bijsterveld: Not at all. 1 understand your question - yes, we have had some problems with euro and Y2K issues - but so has everyone else in the industry. And the fact that these issues took priority also means that we're not perhaps as far as we would like to be at this point in time. Hung Tran: On the one hand, there are some backlogs because of this. But on the other hand, you should remember that internet technology is advancing all the time, and very quickly. There are increasingly ready-made, off the shelf kinds of software application that can easily be put to work for us. And these things are getting cheaper and cheaper all the time. Quite honestly, I don't really see the external aspect as particularly urgent at present. We still have a lot of homework to do if we're going to get our knowledge management right. More pressing now, perhaps, is who manages the systems. After all, we don't want to give away the crown jewels for free. We have to manage who has access to what and that starts at home. Bernard Walschots: 1'd agree that there is a real need to manage these processes. And while it is all very well being concerned about everyone participating and having access, what 1 would advo cate is the use of a common language, a shared methodology. Let's be sure we're all talking about the same thing. This is all still a little theoretic. How do you actually induce people to share the knowledge they have so that it can be managed? Frans van Bijsterveld: Two things. One is you create an environment which shows people, relationship managers, product specialists, anyone involved in the business of the bank, that it is very good for them. That it brings benefits and advantages to them. So they will want to use it. We show them a system which gives them command of all the resources of the bank, quickly and efficiently. This gives the relationship manager a real edge. 1 think this part will be fairly easy to overcome. A bigger problem, in my view, is computer literacy. has always Bernard Walschots had value. But I don't propose to give everyone bonuses or whatever to motivate people to share what they know. Incentives have been suggested. Positive incentives, like money or promotion. And we will certainly need something. Yet, I'm convinced - and that's human nature, too - that people will see the advantages, also on their bottom line. Think of someone who has always done pretty nice, but pretty run-of-the-mill deals. Just imagine what it would mean to have the knowledge which enables you to do much more complex and interesting and bigger deals. And you believe this will happen all by itself? Hung Tran: Of course not. But 1 agree with Frans that this is a very important aspect. Bernard Walschots: You've got to remember the niarket place has chang- ed. The financial services industry has changed, the environment in which we operate has changed. The reality is that a single isolated piece of information is no use to anyone. It has no value. organizations which will both survive and prosper. That requires teamwork because no single person in a single discipline can provide all the know ledge required these days for most customer needs. Frans van Bijsterveld: That's right. You have to bring in people from different disciplines, different geographical locations, different product specialists. You need people from research, from sales, M&A - you name it, we need it these days to service customers. Hung Tran: You need those different people, those different skill sets working together as teams to generate tailored solutions for specific customers. Banks that can do that will be successful. Banks that cannot do that will fail. It is very simple. If we do not raise the level of knowledge and its management and by extension the quality of our products, we will never huild the kind of internalized relationship with our customers that we talked about early. So getting the knowledge-driven side of our business right means getting it all right. Hung Tran: I think you're right. A lot of people are not used to using the computer, the e-mail or internet. But that is a question of training. The other part of the process that Frans was referring to, the mindset aspect, is on the information supply side. People could fear that they will lose some of their value if they make available all they know to other people. They could think that having this knowledge enhanced individual performance, so don't spread it around. We have to convince people that by sharing you can actually perform even better. That's because the combi- nation of all that know- ledge will enable you to improve your own skills and expertise and thus give your customer better service. Hung Tran: And it is usually plentifully available, very cheaply to anyone who wants it. The fact you put that into your head and keep it there no longer gives you power. After a very short period of time, it will lose any economie validity it may have once had. The only way to use that information effectively is to combine it with something else so you get value added. What is needed today in the financial markets on a global basis is solutions. People, organizations which can come up with solutions, can solve problems for customers - they are the

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